@admins - I want to confirm, whether developing a mod like this would be allowed. (2024)

Hello admins and anyone else who reads this,
as a player with high ping, farming cactus with a Cactus Knife can be painful, as the block being broken is an information sent by the server. This causes an issue where players with ping below 50ms can farm 2 deep farms with Cactus Knife because the front cactus disappears before the next tick happens, while high ping players find this to be an issue.

I'd love to level out the playing field by destroying the cactus block a player hits while holding a cactus knife with a mod on client side. I don't think this would give an unfair advantage as many players are already capable of doing so like I described above and it fits the flavor text of cactus knife "Slices through cactus instantly" very well, which makes me think this would only adjust the gameplay for many people to the intended design.

I'd very much appreciate if you could share your opinions, whether such a mod would be allowed as I don't necessarily want to go behind the backs of other people, especially when I want to share the mod I want to write and don't want people to get unnecessarily banned just for a quality of life mod.

Thanks in advance,
Daladirn

YungSheldon said:

bro unironically pinged @admins

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erm well acwutally putting it in the title doesn't ping

I mean you can make it, but no it's technically not allowed.

I'm assuming u are just going to delete the hitbox so u can hit the next cactus. It's the same thing in 0 ping hardstone mining or whatever. Don't think its detectable.

Admins won't answer btw so don't expect a straight response.

aquaka said:

I mean you can make it, but no it's technically not allowed.

I'm assuming u are just going to delete the hitbox so u can hit the next cactus. It's the same thing in 0 ping hardstone mining or whatever. Don't think its detectable.

Admins won't answer btw so don't expect a straight response.

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Ok, fair enough... Yea, I just about now read this part:

Finally, modifications that alter the way in which your Minecraft client interacts with and communicates with our server are also strictly disallowed, even if they otherwise fall into an allowed category. Please ensure that any modifications which are used are strictly client-side only, with them not changing or altering the behavior of the game.

Though you don't really gain a real advantage over other players and you don't have to alter the packets sent to the server, it still affects how the communication with the server would play out and does alter the behaviour of the game. Fair enough, thanks for the responses guys.

Daladirn said:

Ok, fair enough... Yea, I just about now read this part:

Finally, modifications that alter the way in which your Minecraft client interacts with and communicates with our server are also strictly disallowed, even if they otherwise fall into an allowed category. Please ensure that any modifications which are used are strictly client-side only, with them not changing or altering the behavior of the game.

Though you don't really gain a real advantage over other players and you don't have to alter the packets sent to the server, it still affects how the communication with the server would play out and does alter the behaviour of the game. Fair enough, thanks for the responses guys.

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yo wait are you going to do it

'm guessing you won't based on that

GiantWizard said:

yo wait are you going to do it

'm guessing you won't based on that

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Tbh I wanted to develop it mostly for a community discord I'm in. Already did a good deal of work this evening, but because of the conclusion, I don't think it's worth it. Gotta work around the ping issue some other way I suppose.

little_Ole_lonk said:

messing with packets is considered cheating

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But this can be easily done without altering packets. Reading packets on the other hand is allowed and used even in whitelisted mods. Also considering that minecraft uses TCP, which guarantees the order of packets being delivered to be the same as the order of packets being sent. The resulting communication will be the same as if you had low ping.

As for what rule this breaks, it mostly just breaks that last sentence, which is kinda ****ty when it also affects QoL improvements, but yea, I get why that rule is in place.

Daladirn said:

Ok, fair enough... Yea, I just about now read this part:

Finally, modifications that alter the way in which your Minecraft client interacts with and communicates with our server are also strictly disallowed, even if they otherwise fall into an allowed category. Please ensure that any modifications which are used are strictly client-side only, with them not changing or altering the behavior of the game.

Though you don't really gain a real advantage over other players and you don't have to alter the packets sent to the server, it still affects how the communication with the server would play out and does alter the behaviour of the game. Fair enough, thanks for the responses guys.

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just know that there are mods that already do this sort of thing, such as 0 ping terminals

People use similar mods for hardstone.

Just listen for C07PacketPlayerDigging packets, check if the status of the packet is START_DESTROY_BLOCK, and then set that cactus block to air client-side. The block will disappear instantly on your end, but will be broken normally on the server's end.
It shouldn't ban, I'm not even really sure how this would reasonably be detected, but as always use at own risk.

Yeah, this is 100% cheating, this is not a lag compensation trick as it might appear to be. Even with zero ping, it would take 2 ticks for cactus to be broken at a minimum due to how the custom break speed works. If you (wrongly) tell your client that the block is broken instantly, it would just straight up be fast break (which is a cheat).

Hopefully we'll see Hypixel update to 1.20.5+ where (I think) item/block components can be used to give cactus knives the actual ability to break cactus in 1 tick, but until then you're describing fast break.